The following italicized text has been extracted from a Nader/Camejo campaign email titled "Nader/Camejo Debate Challenge" which I received on October 5th. It got under my skin so I had to make an answer to a couple of the statements made.
The email was sent in the name of Peter Miguel Camejo, VP Candidate running with Ralph Nader... I have no idea what party exactly they represent.
"The fact that over 30 years, 90% have received no increase in their income. When adjusted to inflation, in spite of the greatest growth in the economy ever in the history of the United States, they will not mention that corporations are no longer paying their taxes, estimated to be as high as $300 billion per year."
Hey Peter - do you really think corporations pay taxes? Are you really that dense or is it just a show to motivate ignorant people? Corporations NEVER pay taxes. If you hand them a tax bill those costs are passed on to the consumers - you and me - and we pay them.
Stop the class warfare. It keeps people ignorant and angry which is not healthy nor helpful to a legitimate debate of the matters of the state.
Corporations are not the boogie men you paint them to be. They provide jobs, goods, and services that make America work. Raising taxes on corporations is tantamount to raising taxes on the consumer. Or, if not look at the job losses. The corporations will always make money, one way or another.
Tell me where I am wrong...
"...You will never hear one word of how the US supported Saddam Hussein for twenty years, supplied him with poison gas, sent Donald Rumsfeld to Iraq to give him hugs and kisses, or George Bush's public statement about what a good job Saddam Hussein was doing in Iraq. The fact is that their policies through the whole Middle East will never be discussed. Only one thing: How to get control of Iraq, how the US military can get domination and consolidate the dictatorship that it is establishing in Iraq."
Not exactly correct here, but I will let that go.
I will say that pre-September 11 we had a US policy, Republican and Democrat of what is vulgarly stated as "My enemy's enemy is my friend." That changed as of September 11. Tell me where I am wrong... OK ... I will grant Pakistan
"... You will not hear one word of how every single country in Europe, the Arab world, Latin America, Asia, and Africa opposes US policy. And you will never hear mention that Ralph Nader's positions are those of the overwhelming majority of the people of the world regarding Iraq and the Middle East."
Ralph, here is an idea for you: When "Europe, the Arab world, Latin America, Asia, and Africa" start to get it right then we will listen to them. Until then, no.
If Europe (you mean France of course) and the Arab world are upset with us I argue is a good thing. The last thing I would like to do is listen to a bunch of Frenchies that have been utterly irrelevant in world affairs other than as a play ground for the Germans, and camel jockeys that think it is a wonderful thing for their daughters to have their clitoris cut out, circumcised we say so it sounds more antiseptic, so they are sure to not enjoy their life, that is up until they blow themselves up killing Jews and Christians that have done nothing to them.
Tell me where I am wrong...
"You will never hear one word of how the entire world supports the Kyoto protocol and the World Court and the United States alone opposes them—opposes even the concept of the rule of law in the world."
Their is a reason - Kyoto punishes the United States and does nothing for the environment. In shor, Kyoto is garbage. Russia has backed out of it as well as some others. It punishes the cleanest countries and builds up the developing nations that cause the majority of pollution. Not to mention it is founded in really shoddy science to begin with.
Tell me where I am wrong...
"You will not hear anything about the fact that all of Europe has universal health care, but the United States, the wealthiest country in the world, doesn't have it."
Every nation you mentioned is a socialist failure in the making. The medical systems stink. They are all failing and going bankrupt. Golly gee... I wonder why we didn't support Hillary care. Talk about a dog that won't hunt. This dog can't even stand up.
Tell me where I am wrong...
"... If a party gets twenty percent of the vote, they don't get 20 percent of the seats, like in almost every country of Latin America and Europe. The United States stands alone with the most under-developed electoral system, one that denies the people a real voice, or to hear the real choices."
And you guys want to be in elected office? You do not live in a democracy but a representative republic. Civics Ralph. Stop by most any middle school in the country - usually a 7th grade class.
The governments of Latin America and Europe are in even worse shape than our own. Do we have problems? Sure. Would they be fixed by splitting up the seats? No.
A long email guys and not one good point in any of it. No wonder you do not stand a chance at getting anywhere - you have no viable idea's. Sure, your are real effective with the druggies and fiends, but useless for the rest of the 95% of the country.
Tell me where I am wrong Ralph...
The email was sent in the name of Peter Miguel Camejo, VP Candidate running with Ralph Nader... I have no idea what party exactly they represent.
"The fact that over 30 years, 90% have received no increase in their income. When adjusted to inflation, in spite of the greatest growth in the economy ever in the history of the United States, they will not mention that corporations are no longer paying their taxes, estimated to be as high as $300 billion per year."
Hey Peter - do you really think corporations pay taxes? Are you really that dense or is it just a show to motivate ignorant people? Corporations NEVER pay taxes. If you hand them a tax bill those costs are passed on to the consumers - you and me - and we pay them.
Stop the class warfare. It keeps people ignorant and angry which is not healthy nor helpful to a legitimate debate of the matters of the state.
Corporations are not the boogie men you paint them to be. They provide jobs, goods, and services that make America work. Raising taxes on corporations is tantamount to raising taxes on the consumer. Or, if not look at the job losses. The corporations will always make money, one way or another.
Tell me where I am wrong...
"...You will never hear one word of how the US supported Saddam Hussein for twenty years, supplied him with poison gas, sent Donald Rumsfeld to Iraq to give him hugs and kisses, or George Bush's public statement about what a good job Saddam Hussein was doing in Iraq. The fact is that their policies through the whole Middle East will never be discussed. Only one thing: How to get control of Iraq, how the US military can get domination and consolidate the dictatorship that it is establishing in Iraq."
Not exactly correct here, but I will let that go.
I will say that pre-September 11 we had a US policy, Republican and Democrat of what is vulgarly stated as "My enemy's enemy is my friend." That changed as of September 11. Tell me where I am wrong... OK ... I will grant Pakistan
"... You will not hear one word of how every single country in Europe, the Arab world, Latin America, Asia, and Africa opposes US policy. And you will never hear mention that Ralph Nader's positions are those of the overwhelming majority of the people of the world regarding Iraq and the Middle East."
Ralph, here is an idea for you: When "Europe, the Arab world, Latin America, Asia, and Africa" start to get it right then we will listen to them. Until then, no.
If Europe (you mean France of course) and the Arab world are upset with us I argue is a good thing. The last thing I would like to do is listen to a bunch of Frenchies that have been utterly irrelevant in world affairs other than as a play ground for the Germans, and camel jockeys that think it is a wonderful thing for their daughters to have their clitoris cut out, circumcised we say so it sounds more antiseptic, so they are sure to not enjoy their life, that is up until they blow themselves up killing Jews and Christians that have done nothing to them.
Tell me where I am wrong...
"You will never hear one word of how the entire world supports the Kyoto protocol and the World Court and the United States alone opposes them—opposes even the concept of the rule of law in the world."
Their is a reason - Kyoto punishes the United States and does nothing for the environment. In shor, Kyoto is garbage. Russia has backed out of it as well as some others. It punishes the cleanest countries and builds up the developing nations that cause the majority of pollution. Not to mention it is founded in really shoddy science to begin with.
Tell me where I am wrong...
"You will not hear anything about the fact that all of Europe has universal health care, but the United States, the wealthiest country in the world, doesn't have it."
Every nation you mentioned is a socialist failure in the making. The medical systems stink. They are all failing and going bankrupt. Golly gee... I wonder why we didn't support Hillary care. Talk about a dog that won't hunt. This dog can't even stand up.
Tell me where I am wrong...
"... If a party gets twenty percent of the vote, they don't get 20 percent of the seats, like in almost every country of Latin America and Europe. The United States stands alone with the most under-developed electoral system, one that denies the people a real voice, or to hear the real choices."
And you guys want to be in elected office? You do not live in a democracy but a representative republic. Civics Ralph. Stop by most any middle school in the country - usually a 7th grade class.
The governments of Latin America and Europe are in even worse shape than our own. Do we have problems? Sure. Would they be fixed by splitting up the seats? No.
A long email guys and not one good point in any of it. No wonder you do not stand a chance at getting anywhere - you have no viable idea's. Sure, your are real effective with the druggies and fiends, but useless for the rest of the 95% of the country.
Tell me where I am wrong Ralph...
posted by Adam at 3:05 PM
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